Our disappointment in not getting Vider bred spurred us to adopt Bird, but then, as often happens in the human world, after adopting, we got the offspring we had been trying for--we finally got a pup from Vider.  I borrowed Imp. Killiebrae Rudy, a dog bred by Derek Scrimgeour in England that ended up in the US, not far from us.  Rudy came over with a littermate, Geri Byrne's Lyn, and was raised and trained by Mike Hubbard.  Mike took Rudy to the sale at Red Bluff and Chris Gansberg of Gardnerville, Nevada, bought Rudy for his family's cattle operation.